sea peoples atlantis

NO. March 2015 Pyramids The migration was most likely the result of widespread crop failures and famine.”(d). Endless mental masturbation over Atlantis. Jesus Effing Christ, Katzenjammer, I'm NOT saying it's a myth (in the modern sense). If you want to see this in any other way, you really have to explain this. Historical-critical. Conspiracies were the Atlanteans even though they came from a different place at a different time and interacted with different people? Is is absolutely crucial to realize that ancient Greeks thought of Egypt to be at least ca. You are taking Caesar's writings literally? Clearly further investigation wll be required to confirm these indications. April 2016 But the people of Israel was formed only after the Sea Peoples wars from local tribes (Finkelstein/Silberman: The Bible Unearthed, 2001). Historical-critical. Was that the definite end of a longer climate change, that started earlier and forced people to move from areas now stricken by drought? We all end up dead and silently ignorant, in the end. Whether the Phaedrus dialogue actually took place? It had three harbors and was swallowed up by the sea and vanished. Agreed. How "People of the Sea" Came to Be The Egyptians originally coined the name "Peoples of the Sea" for the foreign contingents that the Libyans brought in to support their attack on Egypt in c. 1220 BC during the reign of Pharaoh Merneptah. You should have your own show anyway. Historical-critical. How true! Trude & Moshe Dothan have added another valuable book to the Sea Peoples literature with their People of the Sea, which has the interesting sub-title of The Search for the Philistines[1524]. For Wilhelm von Christ it is plainly clear that the Atlantis story cannot be read in a literal sense. such as Tertullian, who calls Meropis a fable, and at the same time he takes Atlantis as real story. His website has a list of comparisons of Atlanteans and Sea Peoples(a) which is worth consideration. Like the Myceneans, the Hittites weren’t ready to fall without a fight. How much time and money have you spent on physically or mentally, trying to find what Plato is all about and verifying all your hundred of thousands of words you have used in confuting others? Wow! No you don't. NO. The First Effort to Identify Atlantis with the Sea Peoples. They were repelled by the Egyptians and then moved on to the Levant where they later became known as the Philistines. The reason, why searching for Atlantis and searching for Plato's cave is not the same, is simply, because the types of text are not the same. He's just another guy who (according to you) believed the Atlantis story. Projects Timaios 26cd: τοὺς δὲ πολίτας καὶ τὴν πόλιν ἣν χθὲς ἡμῖν ὡς ἐν μύθῳ διῄεισθα σύ, νῦν μετενεγκόντες (26d) ἐπὶ τἀληθὲς δεῦρο θήσομεν ὡς ἐκείνην τήνδε οὖσαν, καὶ τοὺς πολίτας οὓς διενοοῦ φήσομεν ἐκείνους τοὺς ἀληθινοὺς εἶναι προγόνους ἡμῶν, οὓς ἔλεγεν ὁ ἱερεύς. @Brian: May 2020 Because they are not. Historical-critical. This can be "just a story", but it can be so much more ... it even can be a true story. 451-512. You cannot interpret a story without allusions to Atlantis as a story alluding to Atlantis. O my dear boys ..... The story of Atlantis was a mythical retelling of the Black Sea Flood. Historical-critical. Forer belief is equal to yours - a belief based on well just belief. Where? April 2011 Howdy Frank "He glorified his victories in Gaul, and omitted what was not so pleasant." October 2017 Let me guess you aren't even looking are you? NO. Historical-critical. And where was it? The story of Atlantis is a story about a story about a story. July 2014 "Story" of course is the Ancient Greek meaning of μῦθος . Wilhelm von Christ wanted to show Atlantis skeptics: Look, you cannot be so sure, as you claim ... there could really be a historical background. How much time and money have you spent on physically trying to find it and verifying all your hundred of thousands of words? "[T]he effort to make Atlantis real dies hard.". Yet this says nothing about the reality status of Atlantis. The Sea Peoples Came From Atlantis! Jason, I think you made a mistake. No you don't. You: "Sigh ... why do you always flee into word-mongering in the end?" April 2019 var d=new Date(); The Greeks, Egyptians, and other cultures around the Mediterranean Sea used sailing ships to conduct trade, and sails wouldn’t be used in Northern Europe until the Iron Age, during the seventh or eighth century CE.”. April 2015 Yes, I take J.C. literally. Historical-critical. You are not worth to discuss ancient texts, if you continue to have your emotions drive you, instead of your brain. If you are meaning mental excitement caused by reflecting on Atlantis, than it cannot be masturbation, since Plato is providing the stimulus and foreplay. One website(h) describes the Sea People as groups of dispossessed raiders driven by hunger following crop failures resulting from climate change. It certainly seems like it. Yes? Phaedon and the Republic. February 2011 August 2018 A paper(ab) that also links the Philistines with the Sea Peoples from a biblical perspective is available. The Sea Peoples are a purported seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the East Mediterranean prior to and during the Late Bronze Age collapse (1200–900 BCE). He wrote Atlantis was in the western Mediterranean and so we now know as fact were the 1200BC Sea People. Historical-critical. Because Plato explicitly writes that the story is not a mythos. Just a few years after Maspero the German classical scholar, Wilhelm Christ, was probably the first to identify the invading Sea Peoples with the Atlanteans(p), predating Jürgen Spanuth’s theory by the better part of a century. Yes, I take Julius Caesar's writings literally. @Hanslune: On the other hand I don't believe in Joseph Smith's golden tablets but many deluded Mormons do. Why don't all these Atlantis enthusiasts instead concentrate on looking for Plato's famous cave, where so many poor people have been trapped staring at shadows for thousands of years? July 2011 A different view was expressed by the Egyptologist Robert Anderson who commented “It would seem that, rather than bands of plunderers, the Sea People were probably part of a great migration of displaced people. November 2016 Well, you can't present the true historical facts without complete artistic freedom. May 2011 January 2019 I'm saying it's a story. lol Lovecraft On a sunny day , and that would work for the project they have at hand. A more recent (2017) paper(aa) on a conservative website suggests that the Sea Peoples were ‘early Western Europeans’. Odd isn't it? November 2012 For nearly a century in the second millennium B.C., a mysterious band of maritime warriors known as the “Sea Peoples” wreaked havoc on the Mediterranean. Sounds like this is a case of one story being built on another. has to be a "world-wide" civilization. Knights Templar December 2011 Thank you Jason, great work. But then someone will really get hurt by the truth. Only one thing: The first appearance of the Sea Peoples in the fifth year of Pharaoh Meneptach [25] The total solar eclipse happens a few days before Odysseus' return to Ithaca. NO. Muck suggested the Atlanteans). Apparently, since no one has really provided the necessary proof of Plato's Atlantis, a proof to satisfy both the cons and pros, the experiment to prove the immortality of the soul is still left incomplete, like the story of Atlantis. I'm an author and editor who has published on a range of topics, including archaeology, science, and horror fiction. The result is a global flood that obliterates much of humankind. Sea peoples were 1200 BC give or take 50 years either side and their origins are all guesswork. If we replace Atlantis with the Sea People, we would get a fairly accurate account of the invasions of the Sea Peoples up to the assaults against Athens and Mycene. The debate regarding their true identity has been ongoing for a long time and will probably continue as long as the chronologies of the Middle East are not fully harmonised to the satisfaction of all. December 2012 It's just not worth going all the way to Europe to shoot 3 minutes of video! I have a deep understanding for you that you are confused with the categories of logos and mythos, and the types of mythos, applying here. Eckart Kahlhofer has recently suggested that even earlier, J. F. Champollion (1790 –1832) employed an equivalent term gens navales to describe the occupants of the invading swan-necked boats. Thank you. July 2016 He was convinced that Murias one of the legendary cities of the de Danann had been located in Bimini. Religious views. Timaios 20d: ὅδε οὖν ἡμῖν λόγον εἰσηγήσατο ἐκ παλαιᾶς ἀκοῆς You did the before Franke once people don't want to talk about the theoretical meaning of words and your interpretation of Plato and start to question you on the real evidence. Historical-critical. The MalagaBay website has also a wide-ranging illustrated article(u) about the Sea Peoples, although without reaching any firm conclusions. Do you read Middle Ages chroniclers literally? But I see that everyone here is blind. November 2020 The lack of actual evidence is the true death of the idea of Atlantis. Yet you can find no evidence beyond words to support it but to keep the possibility alive you will keep talking and avoiding the elephant in the room. What I cannot make up stuff and pretends it real? The real world whose image our physical world of the 5 senses is of; our physical world is the world of becoming which never really is reality. etc. NO. This is the key point in understanding it as a story. New York City is only a couple of hours from me, and it's a major media hub. Potentially. Are you nuts?!?! And what is about the fabulous animals he is talking about? Historical-critical. Rationalism. The attack ended in their defeat and captivity with many being incorporated into the Egyptian military to defend their northern border with the Hittites. Dear Hanslue, Sorry, your conclusions are logical fallacies. August 2016 February 2015 Franke why do you reject the work of Emil Forrer? God only knows. How about 'No Atlantis'? You have that nice Greek influenced architecture down at the Buffalo World's Fair site. Not footnotes rewrite it as 'you think it should be'. On the other hand Egerton Sykes was of the opinion that the Tuatha de Danaan were refugees from Atlantis, an idea he expressed in his 1949 edition of Ignatius Donnelly’s Atlantis. Departure or disappearance of Atlantis-island vessel and the devastating tsunami that followed forced the people of the Sea to take refuge on the nearest land. Concerning the "ability of ancient peoples to craft narratives" let me put forward the argument of Brandenstein and many other scholars that only centuries after Plato types of text were invented (mostly called "novel") which were not true, not announced to be not true, but every reader understood that they were not true. Christ’s idea was also supported to varying degrees by Theodor Gomperz, Spyridon Marinatos, John V. Luce, Herwig Görgemanns >and Ulrich Hofmann.<, Cyprian Broodbank in The Making of the Middle Sea [1127] argues that the Sea People “never actually existed as a single people. You run off. The Sea Peoples were a confederacy of naval raiders who harried the coastal towns and cities of the Mediterranean region between c. 1276-1178 BCE, concentrating their efforts especially on Egypt. Again, let me also say that I did not mean to engage you in a words debate, as I can tell that you are a very powerful and intimidating creature. This evidence includes a variety of features that Egyptians used to portray the Sea Peoples such as types of swords, shape of ships, shields and helmets as well as hair, clothing and shaving fashions. The Tuatha de Danaan invaded Ireland in prehistoric times. Atlantis is presented as basically real. August 2019 You: "I see your wording "Not that different" as the admittance that there is indeed some sort of difference. ONLY with Atlantis, you insist that EVERY kind of interpretatrion is forbidden, that it MUST be LITERALLY true, and that it e.g. Zach Zorich is a freelance journalist and contributing editor at Archaeology magazine. The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair, Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar, Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx", The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf. March 2012 Historical-critical. Giants Jürgen Spanuth, the leading proponent of a North Sea Atlantis, has identified the Sea Peoples who attacked the Egyptians as North Sea Peoples. Ancient Texts Federico Bardanzellu  offers a number of papers on his Museo dei Dolmen website(n) in which he suggests specific homelands for many of the members of the alliance(o). February 2016 Endless mental masturbation. However, they also knew that this proof would also be subject to their remembering not to drink too much water of forgetfulness during their subsequent reincarnations, and the probability of recalling just enough to trigger all their memory back. June 2012 However, Velikovsky was more concerned with revising the chronologies of the Middle East and so focused on dating the invasion of the Sea Peoples rather than identifying their origins. July 2013 Liberalism. Your comment will be posted after it is approved. Marxism. First, a close reading of Plato's Atlantis dialogues would have brought you to mind that the Atlantis tradition is not "a story about a story about a story". You could also give them talking head footage about The House of Life. Hi Jason - March 2011 The phrase ‘Sea Peoples’ was never used in any ancient accounts. November 2013 They are considered one of the major contributing causes to the Bronze Age Collapse (c. 1250-c.1150 BCE) and were once regarded as the primary cause. Sadly mainstream ancient history is far from free of the idea that if you can show that the timescale suggested by our only sources are wrong you can therefore move the events to any when you want to. 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